1989 S4 wheel types, etc.

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01 May 2024 18:09 #22621 by ParkinBaby
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Hello 928 OC! 

I am a new member having recently purchased a 1989 S4 (A/T), a bit by accident. I've always wanted one and came across one on an auction site. I made what I thought was a lowball bid and forgot about it. A week later the site contacted me saying the owner had accepted my bid - what? So, I am now the proud owner of a 928 and have been loving it so far. But a few minor issues I would like to address I am hoping y'all can help me with:

WHEELS: It has the "manhole cover" wheels, which are not my favorite, so I am trying to figure out if there are any other 928 OEM wheels that will fit, as I really don't want to buy aftermarket wheels for such a classic car, although no offense to anyone who has done this. I'm just more of an OEM guy. 

FLOOR MATS: I need to replace these (and the rear hatch carpet) but can't even figure out what the actual color of the carpet is in my car. It has the carmel colored seats and carpets, so if anyone can tell me how to determine what the color name/code can be found, that would be appreciated. Also, if there is a company that you would recommend that sells good 928 mats. 

HEAD UNIT: Ouch! It has the original Blaupunkt tape deck, which (I think is very cool looking), but it barely works and sounds simply awful. I think the speakers need to be replaced as well but will start with the head unit. If anyone has suggestions on replacing this with a somewhat OEM type unit that is Bluetooth enabled, that would also be great. I've been looking at the Blaupunkt Frankfurt and Brenen models and heard mixed reviews. Please let me know if anyone has purchased one of these and can recommend it, or something similar. I just prefer to have a unit that looks like it was part of the car originally, which is why I like the Frankfurt and Brenen.

Thanks all for any help/advice you can offer, and remember what Tom says: sometimes you just have to say what the .... :-)

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08 May 2024 17:26 #22631 by Rich928
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This is a snip from a post made by Kim Crumb, a 928 expert, many years ago.  It addresses your question about changing wheels on the 928:

Wheels from other Porsche models (nearly invariably) don't fit the front of 928's. The standard factory offset was 65 mm (front) through the entire 17+ year production run. We have more a more advanced a-arm suspension...other Porsche models use "strut" front suspension, and those late model ones have tended to have offsets in the 52-55 mm range. Pushing the wheel OUT a half inch, when, if anything, it would be better to go IN! When I put a 55 mm offset 8.5 x 17 wheel on the PROJECT 928 car (way back in the summer '90) the 235 tire rubbed on the fender lip. And you could get your fist between the spring and the wheel.

Does that "fit" make any sense to you? It didn't to me. I drove down to OZ/MSW (650 miles) the very next day to show them, after my complaints seem to have limited impact. Ultimately we tried an experiment...we added an inch to the inner rim half (three piece wheels) and voila, no rubbing.  A 9.5 x 17 68 mm offset wheel made it work (the tread area "recenters" itself back that critical half inch.) One of the many technical 928 breakthroughs provided in that intense 12 month development effort. The data is there, even if it isn't "convenient" some times. My later story on "Wheels and Tires" in the December '97 Panorama only re-emphasized the measurements, on 18's. When I published the PROJECT 928 series in PANORAMA in the summer of '91, some wheel companies complained. One even tried to have me removed as the 928 PCA Tech Advisor. If you can't win on the facts, try to win with intimidation... THEN the factory came out with their special wheels for the 928 GT Cup (for the German Porsche Club) and guess what front wheel they had? A 9.5 x 17, 68 mm offset, wheel...EXACTLY as I had said. I would think that would have ended the discussion about "what works"...the factory has clearly verified that as the best spec. Later I went to the big SEMA show, to hand out those factory specs. Hoping that more 928 wheels would get then created.  Mostly the opposite happened, people were often rude... same reaction, they didn't like this news. In my world, you'd want to know the facts!   Obviously they want to keep selling 944 & 911 wheels to 928 owners, despite the facts. Oh, too bad that 9.5 x 17, 68 mm offset, factory wheel was so expensive and heavy (27 lb, cast wheel...from the rear of the 911 Carrera Cup racecar) so it isn't much of an answer for us, except to verify the fitment parameters. Hey, I don't like this any better than anyone else, because it means (at least so far) that expensive wheels are what it takes to really fit up a 928, as designed...and I also know that having a "dislike" reaction doesn't change the facts, either.
Kim

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