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I( can'r win.. Starting issues
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I can't win here. So I was stranded.
It tries but the thing acts like it's flooded.
Is there a cold vs warm start thing going on?
Can I shoot a little ether down the intake? (last time I tried that, I damned near has a airbox fire)
The Car runs very rich... I keep it cleaned out by running it hard under load and keeping the rpm's up.
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I waited about 43 hours and went back to start the car.. It started like normal.
I have to think it has to do with a cold/hot situation.
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If you have a later car (32V) then I would certainly look at the MAF as they do "wear". Along with that the condition of the connector. If it's an earlier car then hopefully someone with experience will chime in.
Something to keep in mind with the age of these cars now is the engine wiring harness. They are getting old and brittle and can lead to all sorts of gremlins that will be super hard to nail down. Not saying that's the issue here but you never know. The big 14 pin connector over by the positive jump post can also be a pain point.
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I can't understand how to lean out the running of the engine. It is just running WAY To Rich.
I don't know if that has something to do with cold vs hot starts, but common sense would say it runs richer when cold as a rule.. Then heated up the start issues ensue.
So the question is running into a 2 part scenario.
Why the hot starts are so hard,, (if not impossible.) ?
How to dial back the fuel mix?
Also above... I mis-typed.. The car did start after 3-4 hours of cooling down... Not 34..
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I could see a scenario where starting from cold the extra fuel is needed to start the engine and keep it running, but once hot the extra fuel could cause issues including hard starting. Same thing happens on my lawn mower if I run too much choke when the engine is hot.
Again, that's just a guess on my part, but could explain the running rich.
Have you posted this question on Rennlist? rennlist.com/forums/a-69/
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Thanks for the input.
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1. A presumed fuel pressure. The system requires a precise fuel pressure to operate. Also, the fuel pressure regulator and/or damper can leak unmetered fuel into the intake manifold causing an over-rich air/fuel ratio.
2. Coolant Temperate sensor (AKA Temp II sensor). Both the LH and EZF modules obtain engine temperature from this single sensor. If it reports the wrong temperature (it has a reverse coefficient of resistance), The fuel injection system may inject the wrong amount of fuel for the existing engine temperature.
3. Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF). This system uses a hot wire heat and control to provide an accurate representation of the mass of air flowing into the engine. The LH injection module uses this measurement to calculate how much fuel to inject. A failing MAF can result in too little or too much fuel to be injected. The hot wire glows red after each driving cycle to clean off contaminants. After a few decades of use, the resistance of the hot wire changes and the MAF drifts out of calibration. Replacing the MAF is a normal service item and should be tested every 60,000 to 80,000 miles to verify proper operation.
4. Fuel injector flow: A leaking or improper spray pattern can result in improper running. The fix is to clean them and have them flow tested and replace if necessary.
5. LH Fuel Injection module: this computer takes in all the inputs and calculated the exact fuel necessary for the engine temperature range and power demands. If it fails, it normally doesn't work at all or injects the improper amount of fuel.
A qualified mechanic can diagnose failure in these items. The operation of the LH and MAF modules can be tested and repaired as needed.
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Your last sentence is an issue here.
I haven't found a "Qualified Mechanic'' ' in this general area.
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I'm west of Asheville N.C..by about an hour.
There is a shop in Asheville but the distance is cause for concern. There is also a shop in Waynesville but they have a 3 month waiting list.
I just can' wait 3 months for an appointment,
At this time, I'm trying to get the car up "For Sale" . I can't wait 3 months and am willing to reduce the price so the next Owner can address this issue.
I'm always open with Buyers on issues. Maybe too honest for my own good, but it's the right thing.
I hate having to sell it, but personal finances are entering into the mix, and She's gotta go.
Feels like a bad divorce to me, She's fighting me every step of the way.
The Car only has 46,000 miles on Her and She's definitely a looker.
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These may be too distant. So I suggest that you call local independent shops that work on older Volvos or Saabs and ask if they'd take a look at your 928.
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All of those are at least 3+ hours from me.
I do thank You for the response, but they are not sensical for me.
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He said the older cars and the wiring gremlins they are starting to have.
The answer " The factory theft deterrent system does not always reset it self when you try to restart the car" he said to exit the car and lock the door with the key. Wait a couple seconds and ideally look for the flashing of the system being armed. Then reopen with the key and start as normal. works for me now.
I have a 90 928S4 . My first posting.
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Is there a flashing dash light or the likes to determine if I even have such thing?
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There is no cold start issue and the car runs rich all the time.
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I'm just going to go ahead and replace the sensor ... it can't cost much.
I could test it I suppose but what the heck,,I'll just switch the thing out.
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I replaced the sensor.. it does work and when the car warms the black smoke lessens but it' still WAAAAY too rich burning.
I'm pretty much out of time and options.
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